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So, I've been trying out Wayland for a few weeks. How many years has it been since everybody were saying that it's time to ditch X?

Well, if that's the case, why am I seeing this?

  • Enabling Wayland support in Firefox causes menus to be corrupted.
  • Scaling in Firefox is randomly broken (logging out and back in fixes it)
  • Taking screenshots causes everything on the screen to shrink to half size while selecting what to screenshot.
  • Moving a browser window resizes it to half vertical size
  • After placing a window to be aligned with the top border, it sometimes moves down by 1 pixel, making it impossible to select it by moving the mouse pointer to the top of the screen.
  • On random occasions, parts of my IntelliJ IDEA windows starts flashing until I force a repaint.
  • HDR rendering looks horrible, so I have to turn it off.
  • Every time I reboot the computer, the monitor brightness gets reset to 100% (fixed it by disabling ddcutil on powerdevil)
  • And I just saw an article about the sorry state of colour management in Wayland.

Can someone tell me what's going on here, and why I should be using this thing?

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@loke That's surprising? I've been using Wayland for several years. There are some annoying window management issues (which are design choices on their part), but I haven't had any technical issues to speak of.

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@veronica I'm not saying that this is true in your case, but I think that if I had used Wayland as-is for a few years, I might have forgotten how well X worked and just accepted all these annoyances that I listed (there's more).

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@loke I didn't intend it as a "it works for me" sort of response. Nor did I intend to dismiss the issues you listed. I'm just curious what could be the source of the differences between my setup and yours.

I don't see the first 5 issues you're experiencing, the rest don't really apply, so I can't say.

@veronica Yeah, something is obviously different. I think the point I'm making is that if it's not able to provide a consistent experience, and feature-parity with its predecessor, perhaps it shouldn't be default?

And I really tried to get well-supported hardware and software Radeon graphics, standard 4k screen at 60 Hz, off-the-helf KDE desktop), yet nothing seems to work smoothly.

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@loke Yeah, as I mentioned in the branch of the thread, I have a double-wide screen with no scaling. There may also be Gnome / KDE differences here. I've had a fair bit of trouble with UI scaling and Qt5 at least (not tried Qt6 much).

I do have some issues with pixel round-off and window placement. But I suspect that's caused by the addon I use and the fact that I have the favourites bar on the left screen edge – because who needs a 5120 px favourites bar 😅

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@loke I'm running on Debian 12 Bookworm, so very stable, and I recently switched from Radeon to Nvidia. Radeon worked fine on Wayland, but with Nvidia I can no longer select it.

Until I checked now, I didn't even realise I was back on X11 😅