The thread on birdsite is hilarious/sad:

There are a good number of people asking if it will be free for educators.

Why the fuck someone teaching a language would need something to automatically create code in that language?!?

More hilarious/sad comments:

"Will it be free for students?"

My child, you're learning to code and you want free access to something that writes code for you? What's the point of learning to code, then? Just how to write the perfect comment for the someone/something complete the code for you?

Ok, serious question now:

MS Github scanned whole repositories to train Copilot. Trying to move your code to another service (say, Gitlab) won't delete what it already learnt from your open source project.

But will MS Github still scan new repositories? Or will it find it "done" and now just learn from active, paying users?

@juliobiason i am sure if it is free to anyone it'll come with shackles you have to put on to use it.

@juliobiason My suspicion is that it will be ongoing scanning.

Still wondering about the GPL though. I'd love a SFLC discovery phase to determine how MS is using the code and if the whole codebase could be considered GPL-tainted by incorporating GPL code. That would be utterly fascinating in a world where I had money to throw at this legal exercise.

@craigmaloney @juliobiason If they continue training perhaps people could try to poison the model using appropriately crafted git repositories?

@juliobiason why would they only scan repos hosted on their own service? Google or Bing wouldn't get very far with that strategy, would they.

@juliobiason Note that #Gitlab.com is even worse than Github: https://git.sdf.org/humanacollaborator/humanacollabora/src/branch/master/gitlab-dot-com.md

@batalanto @juliobiason oh wow, so as not to bury the lede there: gitlab.com is a CIA front (IQT is the CIA's investment arm)

@tfb @juliobiason I vaguely recall IQT funding the Tor project, and that those funds were threatened for some reason. I’d not heard a link to Gitlab though.

@batalanto @juliobiason It's referenced in that link of yours, and a superficial search finds Gitlab happily describing collaboration with IQT in their own press releases

@batalanto @juliobiason

plus often even if you have your code elsewhere, someone will fork it to GitHub.

@batalanto @juliobiason

So... of these two git Masters, we can either serve the one who is preditory, founded on fraud and ignores Supreme Court indictments, or the one that assassinates foreign leaders, fixes 3rd World elections, publishes maps and stats, and hands out free LSD?

Hmmm...

@teledyn @juliobiason Boycott both. There are many alternatives mentioned one level up in that repo.

@batalanto @juliobiason

I expect the CIA ran out of LSD anyway.

This is the list you meant? It's fab!
https://git.sdf.org/humanacollaborator/humanacollabora/src/branch/master/forge_comparison.md

@juliobiason you could write your own code unassisted and then have this look at the code you've written independently and then have this tool provide alternative solutions, or hint at resources that might help you in the future. Kinda like a teacher. A teacher is also capable to do your homework for you, but that wouldn't really help you learning.

@juliobiason@functional.cafe

@juliobiason You should have been calling it MS Github the instant MS bought Github.

@juliobiason if by "time" you mean "four years past time" then yeah, sure

@bob Which generally, I'd consider a valuable loophole!

But still... Whole issue with punching down vs up...

@maddiefuzz @juliobiason reverse engineering should be legal, especially in the face of forced obsolescence.

@juliobiason oh and btw, noncommercial software isn't open-source.

@juliobiason @sadmin 1. e.g. https://git.sdf.org/humanacollaborator/humanacollabora/src/branch/master/forge_comparison.md

@batalanto

Question; Is there a Git solution with a Fediverse-approach? I.e. many instances looking like one, and instance admins can strengthen and weaken the collaboration across instances and so on...

@juliobiason @sadmin

@niclas @batalanto @juliobiason I also had this thought when reading the thread. And yes, there's a protocol in the making. Have a look at @forgefed

@niclas @batalanto @juliobiason @forgefed PS: found here https://fediverse.party/en/tools/

@sadmin @forgefed @juliobiason @niclas@angrytoday.com I’m glad you answered his question because I didn’t even see the question (I’m probably on an instance that blocks angrytoday.com). Your msg appeard like a new post with no prior thread. I actually had to visit your post on social.tchncs.de in order to see the thread pieced back together.

@batalanto @juliobiason I'm on #codeberg

@batalanto @sadmin @juliobiason I am considering leaving GitHub. Any alternatives that are compliant with GNU LibreJS?

@nantucketebooks @juliobiason @sadmin The far right column of the forge comparison list (https://git.sdf.org/humanacollaborator/humanacollabora/src/branch/master/forge_comparison.md) indicates FOSS forges with an “n”, so I would try those. I’m not sure if they pass the LibreJS test but if not then it would mean they’ve not properly tagged their JS as free (not that it’s non-free).