Michał "phoe" Herda: "@pea@fuckonthefirst.date @cwebber@octodon.social …" - Functional Café

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> be me
> make server literally with the goal of making it easy and cheap to host, because i think it empowers people to host their own infrastructure
> 1 year later
> "hey Pleroma could be pretty good for people without many resources, even if the devs are all horrible people"

@lain

i think people are starting to realize that we are not horrible people :)

@kaniini I suspect a lot of the hate for Pleroma comes from two sources:

- Historic "political division" between GNU Social and Mastodon as in terms of leftie vs alt-right (which wasn't even GNU Social's developers' doing or desire really), some folks from that space moving to Pleroma and thus to a lot of folks Pleroma being mentally branded that way
- @lain is the fediverse's class clown and recent events have lead many people to associate that kind of irreverent humor with undesirable stuff

@cwebber @kaniini

@lain was literally one of the first people I muted on Mastodon and only a week or two after I muted them I realized "oh shit they're the pleroma person wtf"

@phoe @kaniini well.. I've subscribed to @lain and unsubscribed again before a few times, and looking at their timeline, stuff like https://pleroma.soykaf.com/objects/a7213df9-c372-4662-b466-c76d6ac7d201 and https://pleroma.soykaf.com/objects/b9341afb-6f63-47da-aa4f-77f7df00afe4 is why, and probably is why people get that impression.

(Lain, sorry to talk about you in the third person as if you aren't here. But consider that feedback I guess?)

@cwebber @lain @kaniini @phoe I honestly don't see how either of those posts could be construed as negative

the first is lain making fun of signs being the wrong way, the second is lain saying yikes to someone posting an obvious jewish stereotype

Michał "phoe" Herda @phoe

@pea @cwebber @lain
@kaniini actually it is not really about either of these two posts to me - it's more about me not being used to the fact that the tech leader for a project can be such a massive and shameless shitposter

Jun 20, 2018, 22:17 · Web · 1 · 9

@pea @cwebber @lain @kaniini exactly this

@pea @cwebber @lain @kaniini TIL you can effectively shitpost using just the Mastodon favourite button

time to go to sleep

@phoe @kaniini @lain @cwebber i sincerely hope you never have to interact with half of the core developers and project leads i've interacted with on fedi :p

@pea @phoe @kaniini @lain @cwebber i shitpost pretty hard for a core dev

this is my private acocunt and dont discuss what I work on much here though. And I wouldn't dream of bringing up my fedi account to fellow contributors.

Lain can shitpost because lain is behind the shield of anonymity, and lain is working on a project that isn't serious buisness. I wish for that kind of freedom. All the more power to lain for pulling it off and having fun.

@phoe @pea @cwebber @lain @kaniini I sincerely don't understand why that would bother you

@sonya @lain @cwebber @pea @phoe

I mean I generally live my life assuming "hacker" "news" is a gigantic shitpost.

How is this any different?

@kaniini @lain @cwebber @pea @phoe maybe this is atypical or just varies a lot based on personality, but I enjoy shitposts!

that isn't how I would personally describe HN though, lotta effortful commenters on there

@kaniini @sonya @lain @cwebber @pea @phoe it's legit and natural that people would expect much higher standards from the development teams of projects with potentially large societal impact imo

@lichen @phoe @pea @cwebber @lain @sonya

sure but when shit gets serious were always serious at the table :)

@kaniini @phoe @pea @cwebber @lain @sonya it's good to hear, but also what is 'serious' depends a lot on cultural frameworks and it can be perceived differently depending on different privilege levels of the regarding angle. to put it simply, what's joke for somebody can turn out to be humiliation for others

@lichen @sonya @lain @cwebber @pea @phoe

generally speaking the jokes lain makes aren't really at anyone's expense

@kaniini @sonya @lain @cwebber @pea @phoe it's not my place to delve into specific examples, and I wasn't referring necessarily to just one developer, I instead wanted to point out that for a social media platform to be inclusive and attractive to a wide community the software itself is not enough, it takes a lot of effort and it needs input from multiple cultural fronts

@lichen @phoe @pea @cwebber @lain @sonya

considering we have many regular contributors who are not cis white men, I think we are doing quite well on that front.

@kaniini @phoe @pea @cwebber @lain @sonya then all the best wishes that this can get you to foster a truly inclusive community and counter-act the 'white-cis-male' prevalence problem that a lot of tech projects suffer of

@phoe @kaniini @lain @cwebber @pea
because it's fun...

@phoe @pea @cwebber @lain @kaniini good! I want to see more shitposting tech leaders!