Needed: Mastodon stack that will run on OpenVMS.

You know, for fun.

@twylo Needed, OpenVMS that runs on a CPU that you can actually buy today.

@loke @twylo

You can buy Itaniums, and OpenVMS for Xeon is in the pipeline

hpe.com/us/en/product-catalog/

vmssoftware.com/products_roadm

But also like mastodon running on openvms on like an alpha system sounds fun anyway.

@coryw @twylo I did not know they were working on an Intel version. That seems interesting.

Unfortunately, it will likely be far too expensive for a private individual to use.

@loke @twylo

I haven't heard anything about whether or not the hobbyist licensing HP has run will continue onto Xeons, but last I checked, the actual Xeons they're targeting range from Westmere newer, and anything that would now be in the scalable family, so it's not *entirely* out of the question to buy hardware OpenVMS would like.

If I remember correctly: I believe PowerEdge T and R 610/710 systems are one of their targets.

@coryw @twylo Doesn't cloud providers have Xeons available? That would be one way to run it.

@loke @twylo

Yeah, it would depend on whether OpenVMS will allow itself to run in virtualization and whether a cloud provider will choose to offer it as an option. That may be cheaper than buying your own Xeon.

That said: Buying your own Xeon isn't *that* unattainable. Dell PowerEdge T440 starts at $1669. HPE ML110G10 appears to be around $950-1100, starting, and those are both current generation.

Some friends could probably chip in for such a machine and share it.

@loke @twylo

(I suggest it as a possibility because I bought a PowerEdge T610 (very base configuration) new on my own in like 2010 when it was new to start learning vmware on.)

I'll host if anyone wants to go in on a new box for openvms! I have an available IP.

Follow

@coryw @twylo I'm curious as to what it is about their port that makes it require Xeon (rather than just use its special features if they are available).

Are there any particular features of the Xeon that makes it worth it to be so specific?

I can't help but think that they may be making the same mistake as they did with the Itanium, that they spend years finishing a port to something which is about to be obsoleted.

@loke @twylo

It's probably an HCL + support thing. Sort of like how VMWare ESX is not "supported" on some hardware but it'll totally actually run.

Xeons aren't about to be obsoleted though, or do you mean Itanium in that case?

I believe work on the Itanium port started in the late '90s so HP got almost 15-20 years out of that.

@coryw @twylo Obsoleted may have been a poor choice of words. I meant that there is a lot of buzz around other architectures these days (in particular ARM), and Intel are seeing the biggest threat to their dominance ever.

That said, even if they do use specific Xeon features, porting to another x86-based architecture is probably much easier.

@loke @twylo

Ah.

VMS has made a few jumps before, so I'm not super worried about them making another, after x86.

Other x86 CPUs would just be a matter of testing and updating the HCL, although as (x86) products go, the only other one out there I presume the professional VMS user community would have interested in is Epyc, for RAS functionality.

Sign in to participate in the conversation
Functional Café

functional.cafe is an instance for people interested in functional programming and languages.