Rust is what C++ programmers made to replace C

Go is what C programmers made to replace C

Note: this isn't just an analogy, this is actually true

Rust was made by Mozilla, whose flagship product is written in C++

Go was made by the plan9 alumni, whose flagship product was written in C

Also the difference in quality between Firefox and plan9 is revealing in and of itself

@sir I'm not informed enough to tell about the quality of both. And I kind of want to play with too. But it still isn't clear for me what are it's "killing features" that distinguish it from the other languages/platforms, there must be some.

@amiloradovsky @sir isn't go's whole selling point *not* being featureful? It's all about being simple enough to scale to a codebase shared by lots of engineers.

Hence the whole "lol no generics" meme for the first few years of Go.

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@max @sir I'd say "generics" ((type-)parametric structures/modules) is an important feature, although somewhat complex.
Being small and simple is an advantage, but only among the systems with roughly equivalent functionality. And there are languages/systems even simpler and smaller than it, yet more powerful.

@amiloradovsky @max I'm gonna be that fucking nerd who says that generics are dumb and go is better without them

@sir @max I value your opinion, honestly. Yet, many data-structures utilize them to a great benefit.

@amiloradovsky @max that's not really true. Data structures are just encoded into memory. What you mean is that their abstractions in programming languages often use generics

@sir @max How else would you define the type of a list or vector of elements of a fixed, but arbitrary, type?

@sir @max OK. It's built-in. But every possible parametric data-structure can't be built into the language.

@veer66 @amiloradovsky @max my concern is that this doesn't feel like a Go feature to me. Go has this awsome habit of sitting quietly on contentious features like generics for a while so all of the smart people involved in Go can have a good think on it, then finally coming out with an industry-shaking elegant solution to the problem. Go modules are a great example: it was shit for a long time and then a solution was found which puts every other dependency management solution to shame. I want to see the same thing happen for generics, and I'm prepared to wait as long as necessary for the right design to be found

@veer66 @amiloradovsky @max these proposals will work... but none of them have the elegance go is famed for

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