No one needs to starve. No one needs to freeze. No one needs to die. There is enough for everyone. More empty homes than all the people without them, more food than grocers can even sell. The labor and the materials to end scarcity exist now. It is not a far-off dream. We can end scarcity in this life.

@garbados Artificial scarcity in the name of profit is one of the most egregious things about the modern world

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@And_Zoidberg
It's the price regulation by the government that you propose?
Or the more aggressive and widespread application of antitrust laws?

@garbados
Not that I disagreed, but I want to know how to solve this problem. Only "rising awareness" isn't something I want to do. Large-scale violence won't work either.

@amiloradovsky @And_Zoidberg

"price regulations by the government"

🤔 the last time i checked it wasn't the state telling your boss to rip you off, or the distributor to overstock food and throw out what isn't bought amid thousands fucking starving, or the developers to build houses only for the rich, or the slumlords and "rental management agencies" who hold our access to shelter hostage. profit drives artificial scarcity and if we are to survive then it must be destroyed.

@amiloradovsky @And_Zoidberg as for the "how", the first step is survival. the rich and the scabs do not consider these problems the way that those murdered by them do; it is an abstraction to them, a kind of amusing puzzle. to me it is a gun pointed at everyone i know.

grey markets, acapital material networks, whispernets, stakeholder cooperatives, and sheer comradery have kept us alive and as they mature and fortify, they will keep more of us alive. we must seize the means of survival.

@garbados
Sorry, I can't read this language. Although I may have a vague idea of what that means.
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@garbados
So, the answer is "yes, establish the bureau of the prices, please", if I understood correctly?
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@garbados
Whatever you call it. An organ deciding what is "fair" price for certain (or all) goods, and enforcing the rule that the said goods are sold/bought for at most/least the said price.
Minimum wage is an example of this policy. Yet it's considered only applicable in extreme cases (disasters, to be specific).
@And_Zoidberg

@amiloradovsky i find prices on survival goods like food and shelter to be categorically abhorrent. our survival should not depend on our profitability; nobody should die of exposure in a city with empty homes. we can organize the labor and materials to produce and distribute the means of survival beyond any notion of price or profit. nobody needs to die.

@garbados
So, you're advocating for the resources, needed to fulfill the basic necessities, being provided without the notion of price and money (a universal equivalent) ever involved? Allocated among the live citizens according to an established rules? — This indeed may save lives, in the short run. As in war times. But is it sustainable in the long run? And what about the bureaucracy?

Why not move out of the city, into a rural area? This will reduce the demand for housing in cities.

@amiloradovsky no problem. i have to leave for now but i will try and continue this thread later today :)

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